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#1561
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No, Shubhman did not last. Yesterday too, it was a cliff-hanger. Poor RR.
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#1562
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At around half-point and before the declaration of the team, the best Indian performers in IPL '19:

Player Matches Runs Average SR
Rahul 8 335 67 131
Kohli 7 270 39 126
Iyer 8 266 33 120
Dhawan 8 256 37 127
Pant 8 245 35 161
MSD 8 230 77 127
Uthappa 8 211 35 129

Player Matches Wickets Average Economy
Chahal 7 11 18 7.1
Chahar 8 10 21 6.6
Shami 8 8 28 8.5
Ashwin 8 8 27 7.6
Gopal 7 7 19 6.4
Bumrah 7 7 23 7
Sandeep 7 7 24 7.3
Truly that Dharma is the Truth (Satya); Therefore, when a man speaks the Truth, they say, "He speaks the Dharma"; and if he speaks Dharma, they say, "He speaks the Truth!" For both are one. - Brihadaranyak Upanishad
#1563
| Omnipresent
Squad announced.

R Sharma, S Dhawan, V Kohli, H Pandya, M S Dhoni, K Yadav, B Kumar, M Shami, J Bumrah, K Jadhav, R Jadeja, Y Chahal, D Kartik, K L Rahul, V Shankar.
#1564
| The Silent One
Finally Rayudu out!
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#1565
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Jadhav and Shankar, neither here nor there. Two weak links. Perhaps Iyer would have been a better choice. He is in a good nick. Miss Pant too, the match winner (or savior, at times). For wicket-keeping, Rahul too could have done the job, if and when required. Did we require Karthik? Not that I do not value his cricket. But then, what Shastri and Kohli decide, goes. We needed to strengthen batting. It is batting that will let us down, bowling being what it is.
Truly that Dharma is the Truth (Satya); Therefore, when a man speaks the Truth, they say, "He speaks the Dharma"; and if he speaks Dharma, they say, "He speaks the Truth!" For both are one. - Brihadaranyak Upanishad
#1566
| Senior Member
You think bowling is settled. Given kohli's team picking record (he tends to pick spinners on fast tracks and fast bowlers on spinning tracks to surprise opponents), and pace friendly pitches, he would likely play Jadeja (who cant bat, cant take wickets, nor can control run rate), Kuldeep, chahal along with Pandya and bumrah.

If pandya has an off day, jadeja will be bowling in power plays and end overs. Would have preferred a fast bowler to test specialist jadeja. He has not done anything in last 4 years in ODI's, if test performance gets you in ODI team, pujara would be kicking himself.
#1567
| Omnipresent

Originally posted by: pink vagabond View Post

he would likely play Jadeja (who cant bat, cant take wickets, nor can control run rate)


I disagree that he can not take wickets statement. He is a very good fielder who takes catches, saves a few runs and effects run outs.
#1568
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Originally posted by: pink vagabond View Post

You think bowling is settled. If pandya has an off day, jadeja will be bowling in power plays and end overs.
He has not done anything in last 4 years in ODI's.
If test performance gets you in ODI team, Pujara would be kicking himself.
I did not say that the bowling is settled. I said 'it is what it is'. There is not much that can be done to improve it. We do not have any reliable fast bowler other than Bumrah and Shami for power plays or end overs. Let us see if Bhuvi succeeds in England.
I do not think everybody will agree to that. Jadeja has an average of 30 and a high of 87 in One-Dayers. He also has 174 wickets and the best of 5/36 (though his average is on the wrong side, 36). He is a very agile fielder and saves as many runs as some people in the team make.
I have mentioned that in this forum. They should have given Pujara a try just as they are giving to many other players even when they fail repeatedly. Had they done that, probably there would not have been this #4/5 problem. Pujara is class. With him in the team, there would not have been batting collapses. I would be surprised if Shankar succeeds in the middle order or in bowling. Probably, he has been taken only as a substitute/passenger. Good but not good enough for a world cup.
Truly that Dharma is the Truth (Satya); Therefore, when a man speaks the Truth, they say, "He speaks the Dharma"; and if he speaks Dharma, they say, "He speaks the Truth!" For both are one. - Brihadaranyak Upanishad
#1569
| Senior Member
Jadeja used to be a better player but his last 4 year record does not deserve a call for world cup. First of all, on more seaming pitches, do you need 4 fast bowler or a 3rd spinner. Most games we will play with 3 fast + 1 spin + pandya/kedar. So back up for fast bowler was more logical. India has started winning matches ever since our bowling became more wicket taking than defensive.

Jadeja in last 4 years has averaged almost 50 per wicket, and takes almost 1 wicket per 10 over spell. his good period over 2013-15 he averaged around 30, and took 1.6 wickets per 10 over spell. He is a shadow of an ODI bowler in last 4 years.

Similarly in batting, he averaged 45 in 2013-14, while in last 5 years, he has averaged 18 with a high score of 32. Even his strike rate is less than 90, so we can't say he was playing more cameos. Jadeja's overall record looks good because of his performances 5-10 years back. By that logic, we might have included sehwag/yuvi/Raina etc too

People rate him for his test performances and odi/t20 performance before the last world cup. Since then, he does not deserve the place. Anyways, people will always be divided on team selection, and i continue to believe that taking jadeja instead of another pacer to england is a big mistake. I would still take him in my test team, but for ODI's, would keep him out
#1570
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Vijay: 9 matches highest 46 (not good), average 33 (not bad), strike rate 96 (not good), wickets 2, average 94 (a joke?).
We do not have any other pacer worth the name. The four net-bowlers and Thakur (not selected as the net-bowler) are learning the ropes.
We should have taken Pant/Iyer/Rayudu for batting (if not Pandey/Mayank).
Truly that Dharma is the Truth (Satya); Therefore, when a man speaks the Truth, they say, "He speaks the Dharma"; and if he speaks Dharma, they say, "He speaks the Truth!" For both are one. - Brihadaranyak Upanishad
#1571
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I am amazed Pant & Rayudu were left out.

Pant is the future, Karthik is not. 

IMO Rayudu deserves to be in the squad more than Vijay. 

#1572
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Originally posted by: vandy View Post

I am amazed Pant & Rayudu were left out.

Pant is the future, Karthik is not.

IMO Rayudu deserves to be in the squad more than Vijay.


Agreed on Pant. He definitely can hit the ball better than DK. His problem is consistency when the team is in trouble 80/4 or so. But even DK in that situation is not so great.

Rayudu, his record outside india is in general, horrible. Was always worried about him in England even when he was scoring runs in domestic matches. I would have liked Mayank, Iyer, Shubhman, shankar above him, but none of them were given enough chances. Shankar looked comfortable while playing in limited chances given to him, though no big scores. The only problem is his need to play big shots too early. If the chips are down, you need to play percentage cricket and then accelerate towards the end, but hopefully rohit / dhoni can guide him through that phase...
#1573
| The Silent One
I am worried about Kohli, especially when he doesn't have Dhoni to guide him (like seen in the IPL too and matches where Dhoni is rested!). This world cup may be okay, but after that the team is going to be in doldrums!
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#1574
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Originally posted by: snotty View Post

I am worried about Kohli, especially when he doesn't have Dhoni to guide him (like seen in the IPL too and matches where Dhoni is rested!). This world cup may be okay, but after that the team is going to be in doldrums!


Kohli is unable to read pitches / conditions, and poor shastri is not able to see the pitch because of his large gait, which makes team selection a complete lottery in absence of dhoni.
We will have rohit as captain, or may be someone will show shastri the door and get a coach with cricketing iq more than that of an ant. that will sort out the selection issues..
#1575
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The most shocking explanation that MSK Prasad gave for picking DK ahead of Pant is that they wanted a better keeper. On that note, why is Pant playing tests ahead of DK? Is this a joke?
Again pacers take the maximum workload. God forbid , on an important match day like semifinals a Bumrah or Shami pulls a muscle and we need 3 pacers on a greenish pitch. Absolutely no backup. Will Bharat Arun volunteer himself?